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The Anna Politkovskaya murder
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Ender
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Joined: 23 Aug 2006
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Location: Ural mountains

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:28 am Post subject:

If FSB wanted to kill Litvinenko or Politkovskaya there has been traffic accident, or unlucky brick from the ceiling of new building, or knife in the drunk fight etc. Sometime ago I worked together with retired FSB officer. He said: "If it is necessary to wipe a human, it can be done in extremely innocent way".

jo jo 7
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Joined: 05 Nov 2006
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Location: Louisville,Kentucky

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 2:00 pm Post subject:

Ender wrote:

If FSB wanted to kill Litvinenko or Politkovskaya there has been traffic accident, or unlucky brick from the ceiling of new building, or knife in the drunk fight etc. Sometime ago I worked together with retired FSB officer. He said: "If it is necessary to wipe a human, it can be done in extremely innocent way".

Wow, so easy to say, taking someones life is nothing more than the next rag you use to wash your dishes with.

Ender
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 2:32 pm Post subject:

jo jo 7 wrote:

Wow, so easy to say, taking someones life is nothing more than the next rag you use to wash your dishes with.

I'm pretty sure that secret service organization be it CIA, FBI, FSB, SVR, Mossad, MI6 and others equally easily (I mean moral aspect of this) kill people or make them disappear. Because it is necessary for some reasons. It is deffinitely bad for a victim, it is deffinitely bad for public image of government, but if it necessary it should be done.

What happened after killings of A.P. and L.? Western politics able to scream about bloody Kremlin regime. Obviously it is result of work of western secret service. I think in future, when everyone start to forget about these things they kill someone else - unharmfull but very vocal. Kasparov perhaps - INTELLECT 18, WISDOM 2. But state of art will be something bad happened with major opposition to current government.

jo jo 7
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 2:48 pm Post subject:

Ender wrote:

jo jo 7 wrote:

Wow, so easy to say, taking someones life is nothing more than the next rag you use to wash your dishes with.

"Because it is necessary for some reasons"...Good grief, Ender, you make that sound like it is okay to wipe out a person...I guess if you had no heart it would be easy to be a hitman....you could never have a life if you wanted kids....can you see it now sitting down at the table for supper...hi daddy, how many people did you kill today?

Ender
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Location: Ural mountains

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 3:24 pm Post subject:

jo jo 7 wrote:

Perhaps it is because lack of my English. In Russian I can express my thoughts more precise. For me it is not easy to wipe out a person, but for these professionals it is nothing more than work. And I assure you, same professionals exist in America, GB, Israel and other countries.

Well, same kind of professionals killed (directly or indirectly) more than 100 000 of Iraq people and your society support them. So don't tell to me please that I had no heart, even do not make such assumptions.

mister_wizzz
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Joined: 27 May 2004
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 3:35 pm Post subject:

Ender wrote:

jo jo 7 wrote:

Wow, so easy to say, taking someones life is nothing more than the next rag you use to wash your dishes with.

Actually it is not in the habits of western secret services to kill journalists.

The westerners (I mean US and Europe) cherish Press and journalists, for us it is a wall against dictature, by the way we call it the 4th power (the 3 others being Gov, Parliament, and Justice).
It is a counter balance to executive power (well, not in Russia I would even say it is exactly the opposite) and I wouldn't bet 2 cents on a government survival which ordered the assassination of a journalist.

jo jo 7
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:26 am Post subject:

Ender wrote:

jo jo 7 wrote:

Actually, I wasn't meaning you, I was giving a scenario.... Very Happy

Sorry, wasn't assuming you didn't have a heart....actually, I will be honest..I could kill a person if I had too...if someone came into my home and try to rob me, I would..I keep a double-barrel shotgun behind my bedroom door and I would exercise my right to bare arms... Very Happy

I don't think anyone would want to take a chance and find out though..I won't hesitate putting a hole about the size of a saucer in someones chest. I might feel like hell for a few days, but my motto is, "It's either them or me and it's not going to me". BAMM!!!!!!! I have an eye like a hawk and I won't miss... Wink

Oh, I know we have those in America who would not think twice about killing a person...they are hired to do so...you know our government has men in black and are "hired" by our own government to kill. How's that for ya...BS! isn't it?

Hey, your English is good, BTW... Smile

Ender
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Location: Ural mountains

Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:08 am Post subject:

jo jo 7 wrote:

Actually, I wasn't meaning you, I was giving a scenario.... Very Happy

Thanks for explanation.

jo jo 7 wrote:

... but my motto is, "It's either them or me and it's not going to me". BAMM!!!!!!!

Good motto. I heard something similar in a book or in a movie perhaps:
- To battle! We fall together with glory.
- Sorry, but I am not agreed. Let they fall together with glory. Then we shall disgracefully to eat their meal, to drink their wine, to kiss their women and to bathe in their gold.

jo jo 7 wrote:

Hey, your English is good, BTW...

In order to write and speak correctly one week ago I has started to study English language. At you such difficult pronunciation. My tongue tired and hurts.

jo jo 7
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Location: Louisville,Kentucky

Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 1:06 am Post subject:

Ender wrote:

jo jo 7 wrote:

Actually, I wasn't meaning you, I was giving a scenario.... Very Happy

Thanks for explanation.

jo jo 7 wrote:

... but my motto is, "It's either them or me and it's not going to me". BAMM!!!!!!!

jo jo 7 wrote:

Hey, your English is good, BTW...

In order to write and speak correctly one week ago I has started to study English language. At you such difficult pronunciation. My tongue tired and hurts.

So to disgracefully eat their meal, drink their wine, to kiss their women and to bathe in their gold, hmm, why Ender, are you saying that you are a bit of a "Libertine"?

I could fall to glory, but that is as if they have no wine or food...hehehehe..and it would have to be men I would kiss, that's as if I was a bar wretch, ya know...

My tongue, was tired when I first started learning Russian..it actually exhausts a person... Very Happy

nikir
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Joined: 12 Dec 2005
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Location: Coffs Harbour Australia

Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:42 am Post subject:

Ender wrote:

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In order to write and speak correctly one week ago I has started to study English language. At you such difficult pronunciation. My tongue tired and hurts.

Study Australian, you'll have more fun.

Ender
WayToRussified

Joined: 23 Aug 2006
Posts: 340
Location: Ural mountains

Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:06 pm Post subject:

jo jo 7 wrote:

So to disgracefully eat their meal, drink their wine, to kiss their women and to bathe in their gold, hmm, why Ender, are you saying that you are a bit of a "Libertine"?

Sometimes.

jo jo 7 wrote:

Study Australian, you'll have more fun.

Yes! I want to study Australian because my colleagues and my employer located in Adelaide. Unfortunately there are no teachers of Australian around. Only American or British. Can you say which dialect is more acceptable in Australia?

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