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greg222 · VIP Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Posts: 534

They've finally made some arrests. Interesting spin on it all as well:

http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article2901005.ece

surfguy · Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6996

will be interesting to see what unfolds...I honestly don't know who to believe on this one...I'm not a supporter of Beresovsky...but something in my gut says the journalist were killed by the kremlin. I also do not support the chechnyans and think they are radical extremist...so the journalist really I don't agree with her views. All this said though it is sad and unfortunate. Nothing new though and was to be expected I guess. Probably too the movie will be out and so we can see it it and think about the ills of politics, greed, corruption, and the struggle for power

MrSpice · Lounge Wizard Joined: 14 Jul 2003 Posts: 3436

jo jo 7 · Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:53 am Post subject:

greg222 · VIP Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Posts: 534

The idea that the Kremlin was behind the murder just seems to defy logic. In spite of what is reported in the western press, Politkovskaya (and Litvinenko even more so) was largely insignificant inside Russia. The majority of people had never read Politkovskaya's articles or knew who she was, and therefore she posed absolutely no threat to the Kremlin. So why bring down a shitstorm of negative publicity on yourself through their murders?

If it's a choice between one of the two theories, then the Berezovsky one seems more likely. At least it's possible to see logical reasoning behind it.

surfguy · Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6996

gomer · WayToRussified Joined: 30 Mar 2007 Posts: 445

Based on what I've read, it was decided years ago in Soviet times, to make examples of government defectors to the West to discourage anyone else from defecting. Maybe Litvinenko was an 'example'.

surfguy · Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6996

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RusskiCanadian23 · Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 11:24 pm Post subject:

All these murders: Litvinenko, Politkovskaya, etc. are absolutely illogical to do for the Russian government. Putin & Co wouldn't want to totally discredit, and embarrass themselves for no reason. esspeccially now that Russia got the Sochi 2014 Olympics. No, and besides, these murders were too "loud", too publicised, too unproffessional, to be done by the FSB assassins, no matter how rusty they grew over the years. If it was the FSB, these people would have just disappeared and no one would have heard about them, or their murders since... that is how the good old KGB did their business.
No, this was definately someone outside of Russia, trying to show the world that Russia is a horrible totalitarian state, and that Russian leaders are muderers. Either Berezovsky, or... hmm... the American government... the CIA... the MI6... Question

Who knows...
I just know, that, during the Chechen War, the First one, Berezovsky complained to General Lebed, the Commander of the Russian Forces in Chechnya at the time, that he had bussiness in Chechnya (read: weapon smuggling, etc.) taken away from him: "So what if a few soldiers have to die, it brings all of us good money!". Now, what does this tell you about the man, a coward, a thief, and a traitor, who is now hiding behind his British owners backs, while barking out insults at Russia from behind those same backs...

surfguy · Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6996

well the British and the USA didn't do it...I think the fact that Putin came to meet the Bush's says and means a lot...when Bush and Putin are both out of office they still will have thier oil connections...and Putin is too established now not to be a world player. I count them out. I believe Berezovsky definitely could be behind this...as could Putin's government...I think the west is not out to bring down Russia or collapse them...no we are to connected to one another now. I think the key ingredient to all these murders is Chechnya...whom btw Bederzovsky is connected to. Also is it true that Litvinenko swith to Mohamad on his death bed...that is very interesting. I think Berezovsky will be extradited in the near future...trust me on this he is a pawn...and his value is becoming more and more irrelevant

jo jo 7 · Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 12:19 am Post subject:

How about the murdered journalist they found in his driveway in Texas. They believe this is linked to the murders in Russia as well. I am sure the the government already knows who is behind it.

Maybe the work of "Spooks"?

Usually the mafia are ones who sit around before they make a move for a hit and when they do they do it all at one time. Doesn't it seem the way the murders were done that it could be the mafia in Russia? Especially poison. Russian mafia love to use poison when assassinating someone as well as the Asians. The Russian mafia is strong in the US.

Don't you find it odd just to blame Chechnya? Don't you see that would be too obvious.

Just my two cents.

surfguy · Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6996

no we are not blaming chechnya...we are linking chechnya to berezovsky and establishing the motives and the connection...and the reason etc etc.

Berezovsky helped to fund the chechnyans...lets not forget Anna Politsovkaya was a chechnyan supporter...Now if she had information connecting Berezovsky to the Chechnyan rebellions...then he is ven more of a threat to the Russian state...or if she new something of some others associated then definitely she would be a target...as would Litvenenko who was ready to cough up some information...so this is another thing...they both were murdered relatively close in time...and they were both in the know on Chechnya...that is the connection...so the more I think about this...I lead towards Berezovsky. But too...hey Putin could have killed who ever he wants.

RusskiCanadian23 · Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:21 am Post subject:

Well, it is all very complicated. I mean, as far as the mafia, Jojo, you could be right, to a certain degree. The KGB, and, later on, the FSB was, and is, known to hire the Mafia, and it's paid assassins, for some of it's "elliminations". In fact, while the special services have BETTER killers, the Mafia has MORE killers, and can strike almost anywhere on the planet, as it has people everywhere (Russian Mafia even has bases in Colombia, Bolivia, and Paraguay!). But the thing with the Bratva is that they'll work for whoever pays them the most, so, just as the FSB could have hired them, so could Berezovsky, and so could anybody else, including Putin himself.

Also, it's not only the FSB, there's also the SVR, the "Foreign Intelligence Services", and also the GRU, the Military Intelligence. They too have been involved in assasinations before.

And, as far as Politkovskaya, she had lots of enemies in the MVD, aka the police, in fact several policemen who were fired because of her articles threatened, publicly, to "cut her fucking throat".

And then there's Berezovsky. He will do anything to smear Russia and it's President. That includes having some people killed.

So... who the heck knows who it was... it's a deadly game for sure...